Episode 10: Nimble Made Co-Founder Tanya Zhang

Tanya Zhang 0:00
I think one of the blocks is also because entrepreneurship is just not a very conventional career path. You don’t see as many Asian Americans around your API doing this, you know? And so it’s hard because you feel like you are very much alone in the process.

Jennifer Fultz 0:22
You’re listening to Chief Executive Auntie the podcast exploring the work lives of Asian Americans beyond the conventional doctor, lawyer and engineer. I’m your host, Jennifer Duann Fultz. Welcome to the show everyone. My guest today is Tanya Zhang, the co-founder of Nimble Made a size inclusive brand for Asian Americans. Welcome to the show.

Tanya Zhang 0:49
Thank you so much. I’m super excited to be here.

Jennifer Fultz 0:51
So tell me a little bit about your day-to-day work life. I know you are now doing Nimble Made full time, is that right?

Tanya Zhang 1:00
Yes, that is correct. So I was actually working in the corporate space for a few years and then I made the jump into running my own business with my co-founder. And so there was definitely kind of a transition between having like a nine to five or you know, sometimes like a nine to seven day job and then just completely working for yourself and working towards your own brand. And so, I think it’s actually a pretty hard question to answer directly. I think on the daily activities would be kind of all-encompassing, working on everything. It’s pretty hard to kind of pinpoint down like a certain structure, but what my co-founder and I, how we split up the duties is I’ll take on a lot of the brand and the marketing aspects of it, a lot of the grassroots partnerships with within like Asian American communities, he’ll do a lot of the data, the finance, he’ll do a lot of the digital marketing as well. And we both kind of tackle together anything that we just don’t really have a background in. And so a lot of the SEO stuff that we just completely learned from scratch, a lot of just website optimization that we learned from ourselves and running the business. We kind of tackle those things together. But structure-wise, it’s kind of like a huge mess. We try to work pretty hard in like two hour kind of like sprints throughout the day, and then take a rest, do the smaller tasks, but make sure we really focus and get the most important thing done that day.

Jennifer Fultz 2:49
Yeah, I really, I do kind of a variation on Pomodoro Technique too. Like really buckle down for one period and then stop and either just take a break completely or do kind of like junk drawer tasks that don’t–

–That don’t take a lot of time. But then I never want to do them. So I’m like, okay, I’ll just do them like, in little spurts and then it doesn’t feel so horrible.

Tanya Zhang 3:03
Yeah.

Yeah, it’s definitely easier than us. Like, I feel like at the beginning we had just like an endless list of things to do. It was endless. And it just felt like every single day we weren’t accomplishing anything. And it was just, it was hard. So I definitely prioritize. That has helped us a lot.

Jennifer Fultz 3:28
And your business partner is also your life partner. Correct?

Tanya Zhang 3:32
Yes. So Wesley King is my co-founder, and we met three years ago through an app called Coffee Meets Bagel and we’ve been dating for almost four years now.

Jennifer Fultz 3:45
Does it ever make you crazy?

Tanya Zhang 3:48
Girl, yes. It’s tough. Honestly, we wouldn’t recommend it to like every couple. In fact, we don’t recommend it to couples at all. You have to be really good with like separating business and personal even though a lot of the times those conversations are a mix of both. And so it’s definitely very tough, but it’s also really fun.

Jennifer Fultz 4:13
Yeah. Do you have specific boundaries around like: okay at dinner today we are not talking about Nimble Made or anything like that?

Tanya Zhang 4:23
Yeah, I think we tried to set those guidelines early on. We’re like, okay, after you know, 7pm don’t talk about work. And it was honestly really hard because I think we both really enjoy what we do. We both really like talking about work, and we don’t, I feel like it was really, it’s just kind of our identities have kind of just been meshed into one you know? And so it is tough, I think. I remember like a few nights ago last week, we were at a restaurant and we’re eating. All of a sudden we got into like this really heated debate about whether or not we should like reshoot our dress shirts on our website. And it just got super heated for like no reason and all of a sudden we were like this couple that was like yelling at each other in a restaurant. But not like yelling like, you know, like hate, but like yelling as in like just like debating, like voicing each other’s opinions really like strongly. And it was just kind of one of those months where it was like: oh my god, I’m so tired. Why are we doing this right now?

Jennifer Fultz 5:26
Yeah, I can only imagine. My husband is a scientist and I also have a science degree but I don’t think I am temperamentally cut out for like actual bench science. And so before our kid was born, I would occasionally go into lab and try to help him with stuff and he would, he basically would like fire me within a couple of minutes because I’m not detail oriented enough for his standards, which is probably a good thing when working, when you know. You got to know your limits, right?

Tanya Zhang 6:00
Definitely. It’s always a balancing act. Like I’m glad that I’m more like the right side, like the art side of the brain kind of thing and Wesley’s definitely more kind of like left brain. So that helps a little bit.

Jennifer Fultz 6:14
I’ve been talking with a couple friends lately about finances. Like amongst couples and you know feel free to share as much or as little as you like but how did you decide how to separate your personal finances both as individuals and maybe together, and the business finances?

Tanya Zhang 6:33
Yeah, I think that’s one of those touchy subjects which makes it even harder as a couple too. At the very beginning we both decided to put in an equal sum amount into the business. I think we put in like a 5 K together. And that was just to get things started. Like get the website going, get some samples, you know, like just get everything, kind of the foundation set up. And so that’s kind of how we just like mutually agreed on that number. But obviously, we have had to put in more capital since. And I think that right now Wesley and I, because we bootstrap our business, we are taking money out of our savings. So we both do that. And we also freelance a little bit on the side. So I’ll pick up some design gigs on the side, and he’ll do some digital marketing for his clients, and then we’ll put that money and that income into the business as well. So it’s very kind of just like reinvesting into the business. But it is a really weird conversation to have. There needs to be a solid level of trust to even start talking about like, numbers, you know? Kind of like: um, you say it first, you know? So I mean it’s tough, but again, like Wesley and I have been together for almost four years now, and I think we’re very good at focusing on what needs to be done for the business. And so just naturally, we’re not as like shy when it comes to those numbers and having that conversation.

Jennifer Fultz 8:11
Yeah, I think as I’ve gotten older, and gotten married, and had a kid, and just had to be more responsible, I’m not really shy about anything anymore. Like, you know, I had somebody asked me once: oh, when do you talk to clients about money? About like the price of your project? I’m like: in the first email, I don’t know. Because I’m not here to run a charity. I’m here to run a business. I really like how you freelance on the side in order to fund sort of your main project. That’s kind of how I work too. I have a corporate client who pays me really, really well. The writing is not like earth shattering or amazing or anything like that, but it pays the bills and that means I don’t have to, I don’t know, go work somewhere else that takes more time. And I still have more time to work on the podcast and the materials I’m developing for Asian Americans. So I think a lot of younger freelancers and business owners think, okay, everything I have to do has to be something I’m passionate about. And it’s like, well, not necessarily. You can do something to pay the bills, and then have enough time left over to do what it is that you really, really care about.

Tanya Zhang 9:28
Yeah.

Jennifer Fultz 9:28
That’s been my experience. Tell me a little bit about your background. So you also are a designer. Where did you go to school? What did you study? And how has that contributed to starting Nimble Made?

Tanya Zhang 9:42
Yeah, sure. So I’m originally from Los Angeles. I was born and raised there. And I went to school at UC San Diego. So I actually went to a STEM school with a design major. So it was a very interesting experience. Definitely not the kind of practical design you would get going to an art school obviously. But I learned a lot about like, the art, like art theory, and also a lot about like computing in the arts is kind of like what my major was. So I had to pick up computer science classes. It’s kind of a weird major but it’s cool. Yeah, it was. It was a really cool experience. I, right after I graduated, UC San Diego, I moved to New York City and I started a career in advertising. And so I was working as an art director, designer, in an ad agency in New York City. And so that’s kind of how I started. From there I basically jumped to a couple different industries. I switched to a Fintech startup where I was an in-house designer. I was actually one of their first brand hires that they made. So that was a pretty cool experience. I got to wear a bunch of different hats. And then from there, I actually made the leap into working at a pretty big consulting firm. I was there as a senior visual design consultant. So working a lot with like financial services clients. Again, this is like very, very corporate. Very corporate. But for the most part my background is design, branding, art direction. I’m pretty familiar with doing like, photoshoots, designing a logo and a brand identity, making everything really cohesive across like, collateral like whether that’s like flyers or like business cards, like brochures, or like signage or anything on social. So I’ve always kind of been working with brands. And so that just very naturally came to me when I was building the Nimble Made brand with my co-founder.

Jennifer Fultz 11:47
Yeah, that’s really awesome. Was it scary to switch industries or switch jobs?

Tanya Zhang 11:54
When I was, you mean within the corporate stage?

Jennifer Fultz 11:57
Yeah, yeah.

Tanya Zhang 12:01
Was it difficult? I would say, I had a really great time working in advertising and I learned a lot. I think people who are in it or have heard about it know that it’s a really hard industry to kind of survive in. It’s like a very high turnover rate. And you know, the pay is low, the hours are long. And so I was in there for a few years, and I knew that I was burning out. And so I think that decision to leave it was actually very, very easy. I actually quit my job at the ad agency before I had the next job lined up because I just, it was just so tiring. So I couldn’t do it anymore. But I think I was just naturally just very curious about what else there was to learn. And so I think that’s kind of why I have like, jumped to so many different jobs within a very short timeframe. And so I think that the ultimate just says that I just have like a very entrepreneurial spirit and I was looking for something to fulfill me and to make me really excited to go into work every day and then sit in an office with other people. And I just can never really– I just never really found that, or like felt that at those different corporate jobs that I had. And so I think I was like: huh, maybe I should just do my own thing.

Jennifer Fultz 13:11
Yeah, that was my experience too. Like my training is in education. So I taught high school science for kind of a couple years in fits and starts and then I worked in just like administration, and every time I’d be like, you know, there’s something I really don’t like about this work. Now, to be sure there’s no such thing as a perfect job. There’s always going to be something that you don’t like, and that doesn’t mean you should quit every single job that you go through. But yeah, I was kind of the same way. I’m like, okay, after working, you know, for other people for five or six years, I’m like, I think I’m just gonna make my own job. So, at what point did you decide that you were ready to make the jump to Nimble Made full time?

Tanya Zhang 14:01
Yeah, honestly, it was a very hard decision that took me a really, really long time to make. I was at my corporate job for I think about like a year. I was kind of like at that year mark. And I had already been thinking about leaving it for like six months, I think. So, I don’t know. I think this is, for me it was a really tough decision because to my parents who had worked so hard to get me my sister here. They were like: oh, you’ve already made it. You’re at a high reputation, like while paying jobs, you should just stay there. It’s stable, you know, like you’re kind of just basically set for life. And here I was telling them that I wanted to quit it and just make like, no money whatsoever, right? And so I think that that leap was really hard for me to make. And I definitely needed the blessing of my parents to be able to do it. And so when I had started thinking about it six months out, I had already started talking to my mom about it, you know? And I was very transparent, but also trying to be a little strategic with how I approached it. It wasn’t just like: hey, Mom, I’m thinking about quitting, right? And so I was kind of like: oh, wouldn’t this be like a cool idea? Wouldn’t dress shirts be like a cool idea, Mom? So just really kind of starting to like loop her in, and like plant the idea in her mind a little bit day after day. And so I think eventually, I mean, obviously she was like: don’t do it. But you know, I support you and I love you anyway. So yeah, I think it took a while for her to kind of like get on board. I think even today, she’s not super like fully on board even though she’s like, proud of me. It’s like this whole like, oh, like traditional mindset. But even when I had her blessing, and my dad was like: that’s cool, do it. Even when I had the blessing of my parents, I just couldn’t get over my own mental barrier. I was just so… And even today just so afraid of a failure and so afraid of telling people what I was going to do, just in case that it failed. And they’d be like: oh, you know, Tonya failed. But in reality, like no one really remembers, or they really care, or they really think about it. And so I just couldn’t get over– Like even though I really, really wanted to, like do my own thing. It just took me– I was just like on the edge for so long, trying to take that leap of faith into kind of investing in myself. And that’s just such a hard obstacle to overcome because everyone is different. Everyone has their own driving factors that eventually help them do it. I think for me, what really helped was thinking that okay, you know, like some people after they graduate from college, they take like a year gap or they take like a year break. They go on like vacation, you know, like, I never did that. I went straight into internship and then straight into like, my career. And so I was just like, okay, you know, like worst case: I take a one to two year break and try this out. And then if it doesn’t work out, I just get another job. And I think that was like: oh yeah, like that makes sense. Like, I felt like that was kind of an excuse or something, like a reason I needed for my mind to be like: oh, yeah. That is logical and that makes sense. And you need a break too anyway, so why don’t you just do it? So I think that kind of line alone, really helped me be able to make that jump.

Jennifer Fultz 17:42
Yeah, one of my first guests said almost the same thing. Like, if you go and start your business, you really don’t have that much to lose in terms of like, employability. It’s not like someone’s gonna be like: oh, you tried to start your own business? We’re never hiring you again. Like especially if you can show what you learned in that process and what skills you added. Like one of my good friends just got a job after taking two or three years off to raise her children. And nobody actually bats an eye at, you know, gap. If they’re a good employer. I mean there are certainly companies that will not be so nice about that. But, you know, I think we get into our own heads too much. Like: oh my gosh, what if I fail? It’s gonna be the end. It’s like, no. You just go get another job. Like, at the very least you can go get another job, and if you… but then what if you do succeed? Then you’ve got your own thing. And it’s great.

Tanya Zhang 18:41
Yeah, I think one of the blocks is also because entrepreneurship is just not a very conventional career path. And so you don’t see a lot of like, you don’t see as many Asian Americans around you. Or like AAPI who are doing this, you know? And so it’s hard because you feel like you are very much alone in the process, and you’re like: oh, my friends aren’t doing it. So how can I do it, right? And so I think it was just the fact that I the representation in this space, and while there are very successful Asian, Asian American AAPI entrepreneurs and founders, I didn’t have that many within my circle or within my community. And so it just seems like such a foreign career path. Like something that I didn’t think would actually work.

Jennifer Fultz 18:50
Yeah, and that’s why I started this podcast in the first place. And the thing is though, once you start looking for AAPI entrepreneurs, then you start to find them everywhere. It’s just a matter of looking and of course, they don’t get covered in mainstream media typically. But yean, once you look for them, then you can start to find them. I had the same experience. Like all of my parents, friends were either academics or professionals, or they were like working in the service industry. And so there were not a whole lot of entrepreneur real examples for me to go from. What are some of the challenges and rewards of running Nimble Made?

Tanya Zhang 20:15
Oh, man, it’s a long list of challenge. It’s a long list of challenges. I think for me, I like to be very organized and very prepared in everything that I do. And I think when you’re running with your own startup, there’s no guidance, and there’s no right answer for anything. Like on a daily basis, Wesley and I will be like, brainstorming. We’ll be like, oh, should we or should we not like order more shirts, for example, right? And it would literally be like, I have no idea. lLike how do we find this answer, right? And so that happens all the time. And so I think the biggest challenge for me is that there’s no guidance because every product and every brand, and every business is different. I think a lot of the times, when we talk to other entrepreneurs, other founders, we’re trying to compare notes and be like: oh, what’s working for you and what’s working for us? And like, you know, share tips and stuff like that. But in the end while that is helpful, we run very different businesses, right? And even if it’s like pretty similar, where we’re both selling like, fashion online, it’s still very different because the demographics are different, you know? Like our niche is very, very different. And so, I think that’s definitely the biggest challenge for me is to always be operating within a space where everything is unknown, or like there’s no answers. I can like look online and do research and prep as much as I want but in the end, I ultimately have to make that educated guess and be like: okay, I think we should. That’s really hard for me because I think working within the corporate space you are operating within certain kind of, like there are processes when it comes to working within a corporate job, right? You have a supervisor who you can go to if you have questions. They have a supervisor who can also help, you know, like there are ways in which they’ve approached certain projects that they can teach you and tell you like what to do. But when you’re kind of running your own thing, there’s like, you don’t have that to kind of like rely on or fall back on. And you don’t have a paycheck, right? So you don’t have a paycheck that validates that you’re doing is right. And so it’s just like a perpetual cycle of like: oh, this is right? I’m not sure. Let’s try it. No feedback. Okay, let’s try this again. No feedback. Let’s try this, you know? It’s always this kind of cycle of like, I don’t know what is going on. But I think we’re slowly improving, hopefully. So I think that’s definitely the biggest challenge. When it comes to rewards I really like this question because a lot of the time people just ask like: what are the challenges? And I think that there’s so many so it’s so easy to go into it and be like, this is like a horrible– It can come off as something that’s like really hard and really horrible to do or try. But I think that even a lot of times Wesley and I, we don’t often like celebrate our wins when we get them. And so it’s hard for us to even sometimes think about the rewards of it. But there are a lot. There really, really are a lot. I think the biggest thing is that when I was working at my corporate job, I just felt like I was wasting so much time. Felt like I was sitting there for 40, 50 like 60 hours a week working on something that I just didn’t care about, you know? Or that I could finish in half the time and then the other half of the time I would be like sitting around because I just had to sit there until you know, six or seven. And I just felt like my life was like draining away. I just wanted to get home so I could like log on to like Shopify and start like building my website, you know? Start selling and start like trying new things. And ultimately it just like, be on a faster track to like learn more about– learn more about business, but also learn more about like myself, you know? Like learn more about what challenges I could take on without, you know, like breaking down or like asking for help. It was really just like I think the biggest reward is being able to commit all your time or your energy into something that you really care about without the restrictions of needing to go into the office for the day you. And so like Wesley and I too, like, we’re actually both full time and so we spend all our time together, and we live together, and we recently got a dog together. So it’s really all in one. And so while there are like the downsides and the cons of that, the upsides is so fun. We’re having a blast together. It’d be like Wednesday and we’ll be like, oh we’re too tired. Like, let’s just not work today. Totally fine, you know? You don’t need to tell the boss, you don’t need to fake, and call sick and stuff like that, you know? So I think that having the freedom to kind of like live your life, it’s just so– I just feel like I can like breathe. Breathe again. Yeah,

Jennifer Fultz 25:19
Yeah. Yeah. And going back to kind of what you said about your parents kind of, you know, they worked so hard to get here and oh my gosh, how can you quit your job because they work so hard to get to it. But you know, the way I’ve been thinking about it lately; they worked hard to get us here so we could be free and we could be happy. And man, wouldn’t it be a waste of all of their effort if we were trapped and miserable instead? I don’t know if that actually works when you explained it to your parents that you’re quitting your job.

Tanya Zhang 25:54
Yeah, right.

Jennifer Fultz 25:55
But that’s at least what I’ve kind of gotten into my head and you know, with my work, the greatest reward is pretty simple. It’s being able to go to my kid’s Halloween party and not have to call in sick or take time off or, you know, whatever. I mean, that’s not the greatest reward. But you know, it’s very simple but it’s a very tangible thing for me. So I’m so glad that you have been able to build something that is fulfilling and flexible and it sounds like you’re having great success. I know you’ve been featured in Huffpost and Yahoo and a couple of other brands so what– Do you have any plans kind of for the next step of Nimble Made? Yeah,

Tanya Zhang 26:43
Yeah, I would say we’re still pretty early stage. Like even though we’ve had a– it’s funny because people will come to us, they’ll go to the site and they’ll be like, wow, this is like an established brand. When really it’s still just like me and Wesley, a two person team, and we’re still very early stage. And so I think there’s definitely a lot coming up in the pipeline. Like we currently have 11 dress shirts that we sell online, like 11 different styles. And what we’re doing now is we’re going to roll out probably two to three times more within the next year for sure. So we’re going to expand our product selection. We’re going to keep working on trying to get some more press. We’ve been doing some more kind of partnerships with Asian American kind of like auras, or like communities, just to do more kind of like grassroots stuff and get our word out to like the Asian American groups. So that’s been really great. I think Wesley and I are really excited for this. We’ve only been doing this for like a year full time now. And it’s — like crazy, but we’ve like really learned a lot, I think. So much more than we… We have had so much more than we had when we were working at our corporate jobs. And it’s across all aspects, right? Like, when you’re at a corporate job, you’re very much siloed within one department working on like one thing because you’re just one cog kind of in the whole process of everything. Whereas now Wesley and I are like literally doing everything. Like, while we’re thinking– like, yes, we’re thinking about the vision, as you know, sort of like the leaders of the brand. But on the side we’re also you know, trying to figure out the code on the backend of the website. So it’s very executional but it’s also that you get to do the really fun stuff with like, thinking about the future and think about the brand. So I think while we’re very early stage, this is a really exciting part of the journey for us. We’re, I mean, we’re just gonna keep on testing, keep on talking to our customers and see like, what they want to see, how they like their fit, and then just keep improving. Just keep improving from there.

Jennifer Fultz 28:51
That sounds awesome. I can’t wait to see what’s coming up next. I’m going to maybe see if I can get my husband one of these. He is six feet tall though.

Tanya Zhang 28:58
That’s fine. Yeah.

Jennifer Fultz 28:59
Okay. Okay, I will poke around for Christmas shopping. Do you have any words of advice or encouragement for Asian Americans who want to start their own business in general or want to go into fashion specifically?

Tanya Zhang 29:16
Yeah, I think for those who are thinking about starting your own thing, I think it’s very important, I think, mostly because whenever I get asked this question, I’m kind of like: just do it. Just make the leap of faith and you know, just like throw yourself into the hole. But at the same time, I want to make sure that you’re set up to succeed, right? And so I think that means having an emergency like a savings fund that you have so that you can survive and you know, like eat, and something like that. That’s super important, I think, once you’ve like taken the steps to make sure that you have enough money saved up and you have like a place to live, you know, then I think is when you can start to like really think about leaving like a full time job to do something completely yourself because it takes a lot of money and it takes a lot of time. And so, I think that’s really important to first and foremost make sure that you are taken care of. It’s super important. And so I think like once, like, if you have an idea and you have enough money saved up, I think start talking to people around you. Start to kind of like validate that business idea. A lot of the time it’s I feel like, people are really shy to tell people about their idea. Or like really, they don’t really want to say it out loud because they feel like that puts them– that makes them very vulnerable and potentially with like a higher potential to like fail almost. But that’s like completely false. You should just literally tell everyone you know, right? If you have an idea, you should tell everyone you know, like put it out into the universe and see what you get back. I think it’s really important to get that feedback first and foremost. As a business person, you want to get very objective feedback based off of your idea or based off your product. And so that’s very important, right? And I think that once you’ve kind of gotten it started, and you’re excited about it, and you’re kind of at that inflection point of whether or not you should leave a corporate job for it, I would say, honestly, do both for like a little bit and see if you can handle it. A lot of the times I think people would think that in order to have my own business, I have to leave my full time job. And I have to, you know, just go all in on this. Yes, that’s like one option, but at the same time, there are a lot of people who work for their full time jobs because they like it too. And they like having this side hustle too. And so I don’t think it’s like, you absolutely need to leave your job. It just depends what you like and what you want to do. And just realize that there are people who are honestly doing both and they’re killing it and they like love it too, you know? And so just keep in mind that’s another option but it’s so fun. I love it. I like freakin love it and I’m open to anyone who has any questions to me. You can just reach out whenever, but it’s been a blast. What I will say is that if we’re thinking about fashion, inventory is a huge pain. It’s a huge, huge pain.

Jennifer Fultz 32:21
I can only imagine. I never deal with physical products. Everything I do is digital so I never have to deal with like stuff.

Tanya Zhang 32:28
That’s smart. Yeah, whenever possible, don’t hold. Don’t hold physical inventory, especially in your small New York City apartment.

Jennifer Fultz 32:36
Oh my goodness.

Tanya Zhang 32:37
Yeah, yeah, that’s definitely the hardest part I think with fashion. Is that you need to order so many different styles and they have so many different sizes within each style. And then when you work with a supplier there’s a minimum order quantity that you have to meet. And sometimes it’ll be like thousands and thousands of like ‘excuse’ is what they say. And you’ll be like, oh shit that’s already like, you know, 20-30 plus grand. And so that’s when you’re like: oh, I need to get like a loan or something. But anyway, that’s the downfall with fashion and that, and if you’re selling online ecommerce, return and exchange rate usually is pretty high. You get like a 20 to 30% is like the average for the industry. And so be aware that you’re going to be doing a lot of– for us, we have to like re-steam, you know, the shirts. We have to refold the shirts when it’s being exchanged or returned. So that’s another challenge for us.

Jennifer Fultz 33:36
For sure. Well, it sounds like you are up to some amazing things and where can people find you online?

Tanya Zhang 33:42
Yes, so you can find us online at nimblemade.com. That’s N-I-M-B-L-E M-A-D-E dot com. You can also find us on Instagram; that’s the same name @nimblemade. ‘

Jennifer Fultz 33:58
Cool, awesome. Thank you so much. Tonya.

Tanya Zhang 34:00
Thank you. It’s been a blast. It was so nice talking to you.

Jennifer Fultz 34:04
It was great to finally talk to you sort of face to face.

Tanya Zhang 34:06
Yeah. Online. The internet is amazing.

Jennifer Fultz 34:09
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